The pitch is always the same: “We want Grade A cathodes, CIF, at an LME discount. A buyer in China is ready. We will pay from proceeds.” That is not a deal. That is a request for the seller to fund your trade, carry price and logistics risk, and gift you the arbitrage. If a clean discount existed, the producer or a tier-1 trader would lift it themselves.
LME-discount, CIF terms without pre-financing are rejected on contact. Bring money or a confirmed instrument, or there is no metal.
| Myth | Reality |
|---|---|
| “There is 5,000 MT at a discount in a warehouse waiting for us.” | If a real discount appears, producers and top traders take it first. Inventory at a true discount does not sit. |
| “CIF at LME–X% with payment from our onward sale.” | CIF already puts cost and risk on the seller. A discount on top, without funding, is a non-starter. |
| “This is a risk-free flip to China.” | Basis moves, VAT rules, brand acceptance, and port queues remove “risk-free.” If it was free, it was taken yesterday. |
| “Release from warehouse, then we pay.” | No title without cash or a drawable, confirmed instrument. Warehouse receipts follow payment commitments. |
| “The seller needs our buyer.” | Sellers have buyers. What they want is speed, certainty, and finance. |
All four models require cash or credit capacity. None rely on “pay from proceeds later.”
| Pitch | Reason it fails |
|---|---|
| “LME –5% CIF, payment from proceeds.” | Seller funds cost and risk while giving a discount. Mispriced and unserious. |
| “5,000 MT monthly, buyer ready in China.” | Everyone has a buyer. Show finance, LC terms, and acceptance criteria. |
| “Warehouse release before payment.” | No release without cash or a confirmed, drawable instrument. |
| “We will hedge later.” | No risk plan. Seller will not carry your exposure. |
If you can fund working capital or place clean, confirmable paper, we will structure and execute a compliant copper offtake. If you seek “LME discount, CIF, pay from proceeds,” we will pass.
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